Do It Over Do-It-Worse diplomacy in action Iran ghosting Trump. Just like Japan did.
Poor Don.
Trump and his advisers had hoped Iran would agree to a meeting with the U.S. next week, where the White House planned to offer incentives — including limited sanctions relief — to jumpstart negotiations.
But a defiant video message Thursday by Khamenei — who declared victory over Israel and claimed Iran had dealt the U.S. a "slap in the face" — derailed that effort.
Trump has repeatedly urged Iran to return to the negotiating table, and said earlier this week that he would allow China to buy Iranian oil in order to help the country rebuild after the 12-day war.
Oddly, the only nation to ever use nukes on a civilian population is the one dictating who should have one?
It’s also odd the blindness when it comes to Israel, a rogue colony that has done little since its inception but wage war after war with all its neighbours, damaging every aspect of their lives, yet Iran is the one questioned. And before that, it was Iraq and Libya…
But of course, that’s because Israel is the US’s forward colony, intended to make sure the Middle East never sees peace.
Will the American people ever wake up from their American dream (nightmare) and decide maybe we can try to bomb fewer people, let’s see if that helps make us hated less.
Is that a Sunni position, a Wahabi position or a Shia position? I'm trying to understand which sect of Islam you would have America back in say, Syria, Egypt, the Philippines, Yemen, Sudan, Nigeria, Libya. If you had one political Islamist group to choose to be tightly allied with the US, which would it be? If we started fresh from today and this Islamist group would be friends with the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, which group would that be? Who did you pick in Lebanon?
Is that an Evangelical position, a Methodist position, or a Born-Again position? I'm trying to understand which sect of Christianity you would have Arabia back in, say, France, UK, the Philippines, Italy, the Vatican, Russia, Greece. If you had one political Christian group to choose to be tightly allied with, the Arab world, which would it be? If we started fresh from today and this Christian group would be friends with the Arab World, Iran, and Turkey, which group would that be? Who did you pick in New Zealand?
We have already picked New Zealand, they're in the Five Eyes. And as the first nuclear nation we already have allies and demonstrated ability to enter into treaty arrangements, which for some reason you think are colonial agreements. And we already have strong arrangements with Turkey. Iran, not so much these days. Iranian Islamic revolutionaries love their missiles too. But of course the US is not a Christian nation. It's constitutionally forbidden, of course Christians, Muslims, Bhuddists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jains all find themselves comfortable here, as they do is WEIRD nations, but not in Iran, and obviously not in Sudan.
I made the mistake to think you might represent some credible Islamist position and would have some geopolitical insight beyond infantile rhetoric. But since you are not Islamist, I apologize for that mistake. I couldn't possibly hold you responsible to speak for the likes of the Houthis or any proto-nationalist group in EMEA, nor inform me about such Islamic nationalist movements like that of the Iranian government. I misjudged you entirely.
No need to apologize. I never claimed to speak for any Islamist movement, only to criticize the empire for its hypocrisy and crimes. I wouldn’t ask you to speak for every Western military-industrial alliance, especially those currently propping up apartheid regimes, funding terrorists, or actively committing genocide.
My point — which you conveniently sidestepped — was to highlight how absurd it is to reduce international relations to sectarian religious affiliation, which is precisely what your response did.
You claim the U.S. isn’t a Christian nation, yet cite alliances with almost exclusively Christian-majority (predominantly white, thanks to the extermination of native peoples) and NATO-aligned states. Yet somehow, when it comes to Muslim nations, you frame alliances through sectarian loyalty tests.
Power isn’t pluralism, and your invocation of ‘WEIRD’ countries only reinforces the civilizational arrogance that defined the colonial era and still lingers today. It may now be dressed in tech and treaties, but it remains rooted in hegemony and a deep disdain for the “other.”
Poppycock. The nuclear nations didn't 'culturally appropriate' their technical capability and the IAEA isn't White. All you need to do to have a further debate here is to distinguish Islamist rule of law from democratic classical liberal rule of law rooted in the idea of self-evident individual rights restraining the power of the state. That's the only 'other' to be contrasted. The selection of Muslim sects and nations only demonstrate their willingness to war each other over sectarian beef - the sort of war America has never instigated. This is also why I mentioned Lebanon specifically. If the age of colonialism is on the table, then so is 1000 years of the Muslim slave trade. Keep it modern.
You don’t want a conversation. You want a lecture hall with yourself at the podium.
You offer false binaries and selective memory. “Islamist vs. liberal,” as if those are the only two governing models on Earth, ignores the dozens of existing systems, past and present. “America never instigated sectarian war” conveniently forgets Iraq, Lebanon, the Taliban, Wahhabi-Saudi exportation, and countless CIA interventions. What do you call funding and shielding a terror ethnostate like Israel as it obliterates a civilian population with full U.S. weaponry?
You say “keep it modern,” then bring up the Muslim slave trade while ignoring the modern racial slavery that built the West and the genocidal footprint that is quite literally the foundation of your empire.
I’m not here to play verbal chess on a rigged board. I didn’t show up to a White House press release to play 20 questions with zero answers. You’re not debating in good faith, you’re deflecting, sanitizing, and moralizing.
I’ll give you credit for one thing: at least you didn’t regurgitate the empire’s favorite mental tick: “Israel has the right to defend itself.” Small mercies.
Keep rehearsing your monologue. I’m done pretending this is a dialogue.
Iran's supreme leader claims 'victory' in his first comments after U.S. strikes
Iran's government also voted to suspend cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which will stymie efforts to monitor its uranium enrichment.
I understand that the effort needed to refine 60% uranium to weapons grade uranium is fairly short, especially considering the advances in Iranian enrichment capability. I also know that international inspectors have recently (before Israeli strikes) cited violations in Iranian regulatory reporting requirements. But most importantly, it is not the presence or absence of weapons so much as it is the trustworthiness of those in possession of those weapons. Among all majority muslim nations, I trust Iran government the least. They would be on my least favored nation list all the way back before Obama was drone-striking their Quds leadership - all the way back to the IRG's complicity bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983. I tell my subscribers all the time that I don't like revolutionary governments. Do you generally side with Jihadis, or generally side against Jews?
It's relatively easy to ask what's good for America, and I am inclined to actually read Samuel Huntington, because it is unclear to me that a solid plurality of our electorate actually know. And that's sad because the Genius class is wobbly owing to our proliferation of skibidi Rulers. Jews have their own issues independent of the Islamic threat, which as Hitchens has noted well, goes back to the shores of Tripoli. That's a threat to Western Civilization, which, by the way is not accidentally capitalist.
Israel is an American ally. Period. Saudi Arabia is a growing ally of Israel. America is an ally of Saudi Arabia. Period. That is a strategic triangle that could disassemble the capacities of non-state actors in the region, but so far America doesn't care so much about Syria or Lebanon.
I don't believe that the Middle East is a powder keg any more than I believe that to be the case for El Paso. But its clear that gangs run too much territory in both places. The US has no coherent foreign policy. It should have one, but we know Trump's heart is not in it.
As of today i'm following John Bolton on X/Twitter.
If it is relatively easy to ask what's good for America, than why don't we? Is sending over $3B annually to Israel good for America? Is giving Egypt $2B annually good for America?
"Israel is an American ally. Period." Have you asked the families of the sailors killed on the USS Liberty if they feel that way?
How about Jonathan Pollard stealing American military secrets and giving them to Israel? Was that good for America?
How about the Rosenberg's giving nuclear secrets to Soviet Russia?
Have you spent any time with Ron Unz on the Kennedy assassination?
Why is Victoria Nuland able to convince President Auto Pen to keep the money flowing to Ukraine?
I could go on and on and on and on, Michael. An ally is someone with whom you have shared interests AND a mutually beneficial relationship with.
Stevie Wonder can see how the US is good for Israel, but who can tell me how Israel benefits the United States? And lining Lindsey Graham's pockets, and hosting "parties" on Epstein Island doesn't count.
What's in it for the American tax payer? And Jesus Christ, Saudi Arabia is an American "ally" too? With friends like these, eh?
15 of Saudi Arabia's sons were on those planes. And who get's flown out of the US immediately after the attacks? Saudi big shots. Uh huh, great allies we have.
You following Captain Crunch on X won't get you any closer to the truth.
Western Civilization is an important thing. I guess we should discuss what you mean by Western Civilization? I'm going to tip my hand and say it has something to do with Christianity. Our "allies" over in that little country way
back then have a particular point of view on Christians that's not all that
It's fun, these comments, maybe I should open them up from time to time. But really 3B is a drop in the US taxpayer bucket. We spend more than that on sales tax for fast food. (which would be avg of 7% on 110B). BTW that was primarily financing for Israel purchase of military hardware. Can you say Patriot batteries? I knew you could. We did roughly 25-30B for Ukraine's adventure, so there's that.
As for the rest of those geopolitical mosquito bites, they don't make me itch. Israel is a clean, educated, modern democracy that does a healthy tech trade with the US. I've done business with Teva and with Panorama and I like both of those businesses. I've had liberal and conservative friends who have visited who found the place pleasant.
But if we could focus for a moment. What part about Israel's participation in ridding the world of Iranian nukes do you find disagreeable? That's the specific issue at hand. What was your opinion of the Stuxnet attack? Do you dispute my contention that a nuclear Iran is more dangerously irresponsible than Pakistan? Did you dispute George W. Bush's declaration of the Axis of Evil?
Michael, You make very sound points. Israel, even though I've never been ( but hope to and attend Krav Maga training), does strike me as a clean, stable and highly educated country. And, as you point out, in the scheme of things, the $3B isn't such a big number.
My main gripe regarding Israel, is the impact that it has on US domestic politics. It sickens me to see a bad Prime Minister get 54 standing ovations from the House of Representatives. These people are supposed to be servants of their districts and they clap like trained seals for a corrupt (don't forget where Bibi was headed on October 6th...) thug with a bad comb over?
Israel simply isn't worth burning so much energy over and while it's a nice country and all, why is there so much "we" involved when "they" are in trouble? And if they're so great, why can't they handle their own business? Start fights they can win, etc.
Why should the Goy brother clean up their messes? Nice country or not. You want to ethnically cleanse your pesky neighbors? OK, do it yourselves. Did Jews help finance the Indian Wars? The Civil War? Volunteer IDF soldiers in Korea or Vietnam? Nope.
I'd like to see one of two things happen regarding Israel and "Jews" in general: Either move here (we're a big ass country and could absorb 7 million pretty industrious and intelligent people) or move there. It's the dual loyalty that's the issue, Michael.
I ain't bullying anyone to help Italy( and calling them Wop haters if they hesitate) and you ain't doing any bullying to protect your ancestral lands. Because we're Americans and have accepted being Americans warts and all.
This can't be said for some hot head with a skull cap and whiny grandmother from Long Island who can just show up and bulldoze an olive tree. Why is this acceptable? Tell me what you'd think if someone showed up for a vote in the
House of Representatives wearing a Turkish military uniform?
But it's ok if some clown from Florida shows up in an IDF uniform for a vote?
Because why?
I'll answer your questions even if you skipped mine:
1. A nuclear Iran is no more suicidal than Pakistan in my view. So, no.
2. "Axis of Evil" was a silly, historically laughable phrase written by...David Frum a Canadian...JEW.
If you look at Israel through the lens of a capitalist, tech guy like I think you are, ask yourself this: If it can't stand on it's own two feet, should we continue to subsidize it?
Israel is, and this is the irony for such a bunch of smarties(only the Ashkenazi), the nation state equivalent of DEI.
Do It Over Do-It-Worse diplomacy in action Iran ghosting Trump. Just like Japan did.
Poor Don.
Trump and his advisers had hoped Iran would agree to a meeting with the U.S. next week, where the White House planned to offer incentives — including limited sanctions relief — to jumpstart negotiations.
But a defiant video message Thursday by Khamenei — who declared victory over Israel and claimed Iran had dealt the U.S. a "slap in the face" — derailed that effort.
Trump has repeatedly urged Iran to return to the negotiating table, and said earlier this week that he would allow China to buy Iranian oil in order to help the country rebuild after the 12-day war.
“THEY BOTH CAME TO ME AT THE SAME TIME AND SAID ‘PEACE!’”
https://apple.news/AxdtxkDHPQeCpmtH87Lykcw
“THEY BOTH CAME TO ME AT THE SAME TIME AND SAID ‘PEACE!’”
https://apple.news/AxdtxkDHPQeCpmtH87Lykcw
Oddly, the only nation to ever use nukes on a civilian population is the one dictating who should have one?
It’s also odd the blindness when it comes to Israel, a rogue colony that has done little since its inception but wage war after war with all its neighbours, damaging every aspect of their lives, yet Iran is the one questioned. And before that, it was Iraq and Libya…
But of course, that’s because Israel is the US’s forward colony, intended to make sure the Middle East never sees peace.
Will the American people ever wake up from their American dream (nightmare) and decide maybe we can try to bomb fewer people, let’s see if that helps make us hated less.
Is that a Sunni position, a Wahabi position or a Shia position? I'm trying to understand which sect of Islam you would have America back in say, Syria, Egypt, the Philippines, Yemen, Sudan, Nigeria, Libya. If you had one political Islamist group to choose to be tightly allied with the US, which would it be? If we started fresh from today and this Islamist group would be friends with the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, which group would that be? Who did you pick in Lebanon?
Well, that depends.
Is that an Evangelical position, a Methodist position, or a Born-Again position? I'm trying to understand which sect of Christianity you would have Arabia back in, say, France, UK, the Philippines, Italy, the Vatican, Russia, Greece. If you had one political Christian group to choose to be tightly allied with, the Arab world, which would it be? If we started fresh from today and this Christian group would be friends with the Arab World, Iran, and Turkey, which group would that be? Who did you pick in New Zealand?
We have already picked New Zealand, they're in the Five Eyes. And as the first nuclear nation we already have allies and demonstrated ability to enter into treaty arrangements, which for some reason you think are colonial agreements. And we already have strong arrangements with Turkey. Iran, not so much these days. Iranian Islamic revolutionaries love their missiles too. But of course the US is not a Christian nation. It's constitutionally forbidden, of course Christians, Muslims, Bhuddists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jains all find themselves comfortable here, as they do is WEIRD nations, but not in Iran, and obviously not in Sudan.
I made the mistake to think you might represent some credible Islamist position and would have some geopolitical insight beyond infantile rhetoric. But since you are not Islamist, I apologize for that mistake. I couldn't possibly hold you responsible to speak for the likes of the Houthis or any proto-nationalist group in EMEA, nor inform me about such Islamic nationalist movements like that of the Iranian government. I misjudged you entirely.
No need to apologize. I never claimed to speak for any Islamist movement, only to criticize the empire for its hypocrisy and crimes. I wouldn’t ask you to speak for every Western military-industrial alliance, especially those currently propping up apartheid regimes, funding terrorists, or actively committing genocide.
My point — which you conveniently sidestepped — was to highlight how absurd it is to reduce international relations to sectarian religious affiliation, which is precisely what your response did.
You claim the U.S. isn’t a Christian nation, yet cite alliances with almost exclusively Christian-majority (predominantly white, thanks to the extermination of native peoples) and NATO-aligned states. Yet somehow, when it comes to Muslim nations, you frame alliances through sectarian loyalty tests.
Power isn’t pluralism, and your invocation of ‘WEIRD’ countries only reinforces the civilizational arrogance that defined the colonial era and still lingers today. It may now be dressed in tech and treaties, but it remains rooted in hegemony and a deep disdain for the “other.”
Poppycock. The nuclear nations didn't 'culturally appropriate' their technical capability and the IAEA isn't White. All you need to do to have a further debate here is to distinguish Islamist rule of law from democratic classical liberal rule of law rooted in the idea of self-evident individual rights restraining the power of the state. That's the only 'other' to be contrasted. The selection of Muslim sects and nations only demonstrate their willingness to war each other over sectarian beef - the sort of war America has never instigated. This is also why I mentioned Lebanon specifically. If the age of colonialism is on the table, then so is 1000 years of the Muslim slave trade. Keep it modern.
You don’t want a conversation. You want a lecture hall with yourself at the podium.
You offer false binaries and selective memory. “Islamist vs. liberal,” as if those are the only two governing models on Earth, ignores the dozens of existing systems, past and present. “America never instigated sectarian war” conveniently forgets Iraq, Lebanon, the Taliban, Wahhabi-Saudi exportation, and countless CIA interventions. What do you call funding and shielding a terror ethnostate like Israel as it obliterates a civilian population with full U.S. weaponry?
You say “keep it modern,” then bring up the Muslim slave trade while ignoring the modern racial slavery that built the West and the genocidal footprint that is quite literally the foundation of your empire.
I’m not here to play verbal chess on a rigged board. I didn’t show up to a White House press release to play 20 questions with zero answers. You’re not debating in good faith, you’re deflecting, sanitizing, and moralizing.
I’ll give you credit for one thing: at least you didn’t regurgitate the empire’s favorite mental tick: “Israel has the right to defend itself.” Small mercies.
Keep rehearsing your monologue. I’m done pretending this is a dialogue.
Have a whatever day.
Shetls…
Iran's supreme leader claims 'victory' in his first comments after U.S. strikes
Iran's government also voted to suspend cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which will stymie efforts to monitor its uranium enrichment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/iran-suspends-cooperation-iaea-nuclear-watchdog-khamenei-rcna215169
Michael, Do you have knowledge of Iranian intentions regarding a nuclear arsenal?
Are the Mullahs suicidal? Israel has nukes and a real hard on for Iran for some reason.
I can’t get a bead on your pearl clutching over Iran. It seems…Jewish?
Is there anything you need to tell your subscribers?
I understand that the effort needed to refine 60% uranium to weapons grade uranium is fairly short, especially considering the advances in Iranian enrichment capability. I also know that international inspectors have recently (before Israeli strikes) cited violations in Iranian regulatory reporting requirements. But most importantly, it is not the presence or absence of weapons so much as it is the trustworthiness of those in possession of those weapons. Among all majority muslim nations, I trust Iran government the least. They would be on my least favored nation list all the way back before Obama was drone-striking their Quds leadership - all the way back to the IRG's complicity bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983. I tell my subscribers all the time that I don't like revolutionary governments. Do you generally side with Jihadis, or generally side against Jews?
Appreciate your thoughtful response.
Choosing between Jihadis and Jews is a false choice.
What Jews are we supposed to “choose?”
Settlers? Likud? Labor? Orthodox? Reform?
Jews can’t even define themselves. Norman Finkelstien and Ben Shapiro are both described as “Jews.”
And this shows why “choosing “ Jews is a fool’s errand.
Here’s my choice: America. Jews have enjoyed the privilege of asking: “ Is it good for the Jews” ever since they escaped their Shells.
Radical proposal: Why can’t we Red White and Blue Goy ask the same question?
It's relatively easy to ask what's good for America, and I am inclined to actually read Samuel Huntington, because it is unclear to me that a solid plurality of our electorate actually know. And that's sad because the Genius class is wobbly owing to our proliferation of skibidi Rulers. Jews have their own issues independent of the Islamic threat, which as Hitchens has noted well, goes back to the shores of Tripoli. That's a threat to Western Civilization, which, by the way is not accidentally capitalist.
Israel is an American ally. Period. Saudi Arabia is a growing ally of Israel. America is an ally of Saudi Arabia. Period. That is a strategic triangle that could disassemble the capacities of non-state actors in the region, but so far America doesn't care so much about Syria or Lebanon.
I don't believe that the Middle East is a powder keg any more than I believe that to be the case for El Paso. But its clear that gangs run too much territory in both places. The US has no coherent foreign policy. It should have one, but we know Trump's heart is not in it.
As of today i'm following John Bolton on X/Twitter.
If it is relatively easy to ask what's good for America, than why don't we? Is sending over $3B annually to Israel good for America? Is giving Egypt $2B annually good for America?
"Israel is an American ally. Period." Have you asked the families of the sailors killed on the USS Liberty if they feel that way?
How about Jonathan Pollard stealing American military secrets and giving them to Israel? Was that good for America?
How about the Rosenberg's giving nuclear secrets to Soviet Russia?
Have you spent any time with Ron Unz on the Kennedy assassination?
Why is Victoria Nuland able to convince President Auto Pen to keep the money flowing to Ukraine?
I could go on and on and on and on, Michael. An ally is someone with whom you have shared interests AND a mutually beneficial relationship with.
Stevie Wonder can see how the US is good for Israel, but who can tell me how Israel benefits the United States? And lining Lindsey Graham's pockets, and hosting "parties" on Epstein Island doesn't count.
What's in it for the American tax payer? And Jesus Christ, Saudi Arabia is an American "ally" too? With friends like these, eh?
15 of Saudi Arabia's sons were on those planes. And who get's flown out of the US immediately after the attacks? Saudi big shots. Uh huh, great allies we have.
You following Captain Crunch on X won't get you any closer to the truth.
Western Civilization is an important thing. I guess we should discuss what you mean by Western Civilization? I'm going to tip my hand and say it has something to do with Christianity. Our "allies" over in that little country way
back then have a particular point of view on Christians that's not all that
friendly.
It's fun, these comments, maybe I should open them up from time to time. But really 3B is a drop in the US taxpayer bucket. We spend more than that on sales tax for fast food. (which would be avg of 7% on 110B). BTW that was primarily financing for Israel purchase of military hardware. Can you say Patriot batteries? I knew you could. We did roughly 25-30B for Ukraine's adventure, so there's that.
As for the rest of those geopolitical mosquito bites, they don't make me itch. Israel is a clean, educated, modern democracy that does a healthy tech trade with the US. I've done business with Teva and with Panorama and I like both of those businesses. I've had liberal and conservative friends who have visited who found the place pleasant.
But if we could focus for a moment. What part about Israel's participation in ridding the world of Iranian nukes do you find disagreeable? That's the specific issue at hand. What was your opinion of the Stuxnet attack? Do you dispute my contention that a nuclear Iran is more dangerously irresponsible than Pakistan? Did you dispute George W. Bush's declaration of the Axis of Evil?
Michael, You make very sound points. Israel, even though I've never been ( but hope to and attend Krav Maga training), does strike me as a clean, stable and highly educated country. And, as you point out, in the scheme of things, the $3B isn't such a big number.
My main gripe regarding Israel, is the impact that it has on US domestic politics. It sickens me to see a bad Prime Minister get 54 standing ovations from the House of Representatives. These people are supposed to be servants of their districts and they clap like trained seals for a corrupt (don't forget where Bibi was headed on October 6th...) thug with a bad comb over?
Israel simply isn't worth burning so much energy over and while it's a nice country and all, why is there so much "we" involved when "they" are in trouble? And if they're so great, why can't they handle their own business? Start fights they can win, etc.
Why should the Goy brother clean up their messes? Nice country or not. You want to ethnically cleanse your pesky neighbors? OK, do it yourselves. Did Jews help finance the Indian Wars? The Civil War? Volunteer IDF soldiers in Korea or Vietnam? Nope.
I'd like to see one of two things happen regarding Israel and "Jews" in general: Either move here (we're a big ass country and could absorb 7 million pretty industrious and intelligent people) or move there. It's the dual loyalty that's the issue, Michael.
I ain't bullying anyone to help Italy( and calling them Wop haters if they hesitate) and you ain't doing any bullying to protect your ancestral lands. Because we're Americans and have accepted being Americans warts and all.
This can't be said for some hot head with a skull cap and whiny grandmother from Long Island who can just show up and bulldoze an olive tree. Why is this acceptable? Tell me what you'd think if someone showed up for a vote in the
House of Representatives wearing a Turkish military uniform?
But it's ok if some clown from Florida shows up in an IDF uniform for a vote?
Because why?
I'll answer your questions even if you skipped mine:
1. A nuclear Iran is no more suicidal than Pakistan in my view. So, no.
2. "Axis of Evil" was a silly, historically laughable phrase written by...David Frum a Canadian...JEW.
If you look at Israel through the lens of a capitalist, tech guy like I think you are, ask yourself this: If it can't stand on it's own two feet, should we continue to subsidize it?
Israel is, and this is the irony for such a bunch of smarties(only the Ashkenazi), the nation state equivalent of DEI.
Cut the funding. Make a choice, Jews.
Thanks,
Franco
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